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Re: Out of Position players

By TheWitchHunter
11/22/2024 7:36 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
...there should be minimum speeds for every position group because 50 speed WRs & DBs wouldn't even stiff the draft in the NFL so why generate them


I'd like to add and expand: there should be minimums at every core attribute for every position. Not only should a wr never have a below a certain spd, nor should they be below a certain catch, route and bra ability.
Player generation does not get talk about enough. I'd settle for an increase to players generated at draft as the easy fix.
If i got to sort sludge post round 4, then "I want mo', mo', more" players generated for the draft when the midnight hour comes.

Also Billy Idols last EP and his live performances from the top of the Empire State Building are a whole lotta fun for any fan of Steve Stephens.

Re: Out of Position players

By TheWitchHunter
11/22/2024 7:51 pm
pardon my brag, but i went from 255 to 165 over the course of 16 months.
Radical lifestyle changes worth every bit of continued dedication.
If I can lose 90 pounds in 2 seasons by eating the right foods, portion control, and just simply getting off the couch and walking, so can anyone else.
I didn't even count calories, I just followed the FDA food pyramid and the portion sizes on the labels and took on actual cardio every day.
Some brag, a lot of it can be done to those thinking it can't - both in RL and MFN.

Conversely, when I quit smoking in 2014 and substituted with ckn mcnuggets (what a baaaad idea folks), I gained 40 pounds in 7 months. (200 to 240).

4-5 pounds per month is the recommended weight loss and gain to not cause harm to our physical bodies. It's absolutely realistic and possible to be able to gain or lose 100 pounds in 2 years.

MFN seems to cap weight loss and gain at roughly 50 pounds - with 50 pounds being an outlier.
Just my experience.

I'm only focusing on weight variations, not commenting on positional changes both via overs or through actual player position change (DE to lb, etc and yadda).

PS: been a very happy 175 for the last 4 years. 255 was just killer on the joints as I got older.

Re: Out of Position players

By Mcbolt55
11/22/2024 8:25 pm
There is a difference between weight gain and loss when it’s mostly a matter of fat and carbs as opposed to theoretical muscle mass for an athlete. Obviously wrestlers and other combat athletes do whatever it takes to switch classes in short order, but even then we are talking 10-20 pounds at a time…which seems realistic for a month or two of this sim.

Re: Out of Position players

By Cjfred68
11/23/2024 4:12 am
TheWitchHunter wrote:
pardon my brag, but i went from 255 to 165 over the course of 16 months.
Radical lifestyle changes worth every bit of continued dedication.
If I can lose 90 pounds in 2 seasons by eating the right foods, portion control, and just simply getting off the couch and walking, so can anyone else.
I didn't even count calories, I just followed the FDA food pyramid and the portion sizes on the labels and took on actual cardio every day.
Some brag, a lot of it can be done to those thinking it can't - both in RL and MFN.

Conversely, when I quit smoking in 2014 and substituted with ckn mcnuggets (what a baaaad idea folks), I gained 40 pounds in 7 months. (200 to 240).

4-5 pounds per month is the recommended weight loss and gain to not cause harm to our physical bodies. It's absolutely realistic and possible to be able to gain or lose 100 pounds in 2 years.

MFN seems to cap weight loss and gain at roughly 50 pounds - with 50 pounds being an outlier.
Just my experience.

I'm only focusing on weight variations, not commenting on positional changes both via overs or through actual player position change (DE to lb, etc and yadda).

PS: been a very happy 175 for the last 4 years. 255 was just killer on the joints as I got older.


Congrats on the weight lose but there is a significant difference between losing excess weight due to an unhealthy diet and a college LBer in peak physical condition with low body fat, losing 50 pounds to become a super fast DB. I honestly can't remember 1 actual instance of this happening ever in the NFL.

Maybe it's happened with a college kid converting to the NFL but the more likely scenario is a player gaining weight after the draft to put on more muscle thanks to strength & conditioning regiments.

In MFN, losing 50 pounds is the norm!

UFC fighters and Wrestlers regularly lose weight to reach weight class requirements but that is done by severing dehydrating themselves to the point of near death just for the weigh in then quickly put the weight back on before the fight.
Last edited at 11/23/2024 4:16 am

Re: Out of Position players

By Waitwut
11/23/2024 7:45 am
IRL some people don’t get faster with weight loss either. That’s only true in MFN.

Re: Out of Position players

By ibblacklavender02
11/23/2024 11:44 am
I have nothing to add but man I remember how hard it was for me to gain weight but I put on 40lbs in 6 months....Ahh to be young again...

Re: Out of Position players

By Cjfred68
11/23/2024 12:16 pm
ibblacklavender02 wrote:
I have nothing to add but man I remember how hard it was for me to gain weight but I put on 40lbs in 6 months....Ahh to be young again...


It feels like players adding weight would be way more common then losing weight when going from college to the Pros.

Re: Out of Position players

By Pernbronze
11/23/2024 4:50 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
ibblacklavender02 wrote:
I have nothing to add but man I remember how hard it was for me to gain weight but I put on 40lbs in 6 months....Ahh to be young again...


It feels like players adding weight would be way more common then losing weight when going from college to the Pros.


I agree. Player weight change should be capped at like losing 20lbs down and gaining 50 for the first season. Then dropping up to 10 per season as long as they remain at their minimum weight. And gaining up to 20 per season remaining at maximum weight. However you do not gain stat changes til the following season as your body fully works itself into your weight. But that'd be adding complicated possibly mechanics.

Re: Out of Position players

By Mcbolt55
11/23/2024 8:17 pm
Changing weight is kind of a nice touch though, if it works properly. Any other game the players are just the size they are created at. However it is natural to progressively become bigger and slower over time. Stats showing averages of peaking in late 20’s and dropping off in the 30’s on average. Which is another hack/glitch in this game, where converting players to center or de can stop progression falling off a cliff in year 9, until about year 12. That kind of switch can make sense for a linebacker or te/fb, but it shouldn’t be possible for wr/db.

I can see an athlete generated at a base weight (or peak fighting shape) of 230 having the range to convert all over the field, but the process of slimming down or gaining weight should probably negatively impact shifting too far away from that natural weight. Instead, the physics of this game give him double the bonus for losing weight because speed goes up a few points, but also perhaps more importantly, the acceleration calculation of a lighter weight moves quicker on the field even with a LOWER speed rating. In other words, a 75 speed wr moves as fast or faster at 198 pounds than a 241 lb linebacker with 80+ speed at the same acceleration rating.

Back to real world, there are several real life examples of retired players who drastically change weight after their careers are over, but it is all related to stopping doing what it took to maintain the size and ability of their playing days. Linemen who slim down below or close to 200 pounds after playing north of 300, or running backs and receivers who were speed threats ballooning up to 300 lbs or more as they are too broken down or just naturally pack on the fat in old age.
Last edited at 11/24/2024 11:34 am

Re: Out of Position players

By billstein
11/24/2024 8:51 pm
I'm down with all Martin's ideas in the OP.

In the past, I've suggested that "play knowledge" be position specific. If a player spends all his practice time with WR's, his play knowledge should be severely penalized when he's put in at RB. Base stats could also be thrown into the equation. If a RB practices with WR's, his ball carrying, and blocking skills should be reduced, as his WR stats increase.

Maybe, instead of all players reaching the "ideal" position weight, they each have a base weight that can only be changed a small amount during the season through a "training" option, rather than having them practice a position they'll never play.

I also think fatigue should be scaled to the weight difference of opposing players they make contact with. If a CB lines up at DE and tries bull rushing an OT, his fatigue level should take a major hit.